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i got to buy me a poopie patch. i got to buy me a poopie captioned by closed captioning services, inc >> announcer: ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. [ applause ] >> mike: thank you. thank you very much, everybody. and welcome to "huckabee" from the fox news studios in new york city. well, tonight, men who spent time in prison but they're now out and rebuilt their lives. how they hope to use their experiences to keep others from time behind bars. maury davis, one of the guests tonight once savagely killed a woman. but now he preaches to a congregation of thousands every sunday. actor tommy chong famous to making marijuana famous in cheech and chong movies. and a mobster who stole
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millions of dollars in jewelry but is now trying to guide youngsters down the right path. the amazing and riveting stories on this edition of "huckabee." thank you for joining us. [ applause ] our director used to say something i've often quoted. we lock a lot of people up that we're mad at. not the ones we're really afraid of. unfortunately, that is the truth. we put a lot of people in prison. i understand, crime should be punished. but is the ultimate goal to punish the criminal or is it to protect society? is it to get revenge or to bring restoration to all involved, both victims as well as those who commit the crime? the victims of crime understandably aren't in for a lot of discussion about the second chances, but there has to be some discussion. is there redemption for people or not?
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is there an opportunity to find a way to give people pathway back to life if they meet rules of society? is there consistency? i don't think we want ridiculous leniency. but do we want a system with no second chances? if we do, do we want to apply it to everything, like speeding, tax mistakes or maybe your child caught with drugs or alcohol. i talk to a lot of people who say they believe in the death penalty. he's one thing in the -- it's one thing in the abstract, but another thing if you deal with it in reality. it did as a governor. more than any other governor in my state's history i had to carry it out. i know when people talk about what they would do, i assure you they've never done it and never will do it. it's one thing to talk about it and another thing to deal with real consequences of crime and justice.
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there are no perfect people. there are no perfect answers to this. the third thing is that justice is supposed to blind but not supposed to be stupid. the human element requires thoughtful decisions and sometimes those decisions will be wrong. ours is not a great system but it is we have. the essence of it is the strength, we are innocent until proven guilty by jury of our peers. sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong but it is our system. [ applause ] that is my view and i welcome yours. send comments to me at click on the fox news feedback section at my first guest was 18 when he brutally murdered a 58-year-old woman. he could have gone to the electric chair but spent 8 1/2 years in a texas
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prison. where he lost his old life and found the lord. now he is helping others find redemption. welcome, pastor maury davis. great to have you here. >> great to be here. you were a teenager that led to crazy stuff. what happened? >> at 13 i was running with the wrong crowd and got involved with marijuana and soft drugs. sophomore year i realized i wasn't going to graduate and told my stepfather i needed more discipline and send me to military academy. i went to new mexico military institute for two years and returned to dallas and discovered if there is no change on the inside, environmental control doesn't change internal control. got back in the old lifestyle and moved beyond the marijuana to hallucinogenic drug of '70s and speed before it was methamphetamine.
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at 18 years of age i was strung out and messed up. >> mike: you committed a heinous crime. >> yes, sir. >> mike: tell me what happened. what did you do? how did it come about. >> the day before i committed the crime my natural father came to the house and confronted me that i was selling drugs and i wasn't working. we had a horrible discussion. he left my mother when i was a little boy. he was frustrated and he said i want to tell you about god. i want to tell you something about your son you don't know. i don't think there is a god. i remember thinking if there is a god he would have done better than a daddy like you. you left us as a little boy. my dad stood up, cajun man from louisiana and began to cry and said i'm not the father i should have been and i'm not the christian i
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should be but there is a god. he told me god will get your attention. he will put you a place to get your attention. >> mike: he did. >> 24 hours later in middle of a burglary i committed a horrible murder. 24 hours after that i was arrested by the urban city -- irvine city police, suburb of dallas. >> mike: why did you kill this lady? burglarizing or robbing her house? >> when you are on meth, when you have not slept, you become emotionally unstable. i was raised in texas with texas values. you never hit a woman. there was a problem there. she spilled paint on boots and i hit her. the minute i hit her i was afraid someone would find out i hit a woman and it escalated from that. >> mike: the murder was not a simple -- it was savage. >> yes, sir. >> mike: what did you do? what happened that day you
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took her life? >> mike, i honestly don't remember details of that. i talked to my attorney and psychiatrist that worked with me. your mind shuts down things that are that horrible. horrendous -- >> mike: you read about it sense and know it was -- >> i read about it. some of the stuff i read according to the police reports are not true. some of the stuff they write in papers it is. >> mike: some of is it -- >> yes, sir, brutal murder. >> you were arrested and the police said you are going to go on trial for murder. what did you anticipate sentencing will be? >> i'm in texas. >> mike: they carry out more death sentences than any other state by far. >> because i did not commit a burglary, movered from death penalty case, murder in the process of another crime to a first degree murder. >> mike: capital murder. >> it moved to life in prison, which is what my
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attorney and what everybody else thought would be. they thought i'd get the max. >> mike: why didn't you? >> you know, national tv this is not going to play good on your show. i had given my life to jesus christ. my pastor is in the audience today with my family. god delivered me from the demon of murder. >> this was between time of the murder and arrest and time of trial. >> yes, sir. at my trial, my attorney used as a defense demon possession. you can play it out in the media. you know how it played. one of the members of my jury, jury foreman, done mcdaniel, had been a police officer. or highway patrolman in california. death with that spirit to his life. he had been delivered and given his life to jesus christ. the jury members said he couldn't give truth without grace. >> mike: you had also been told by a criminal psychologist that you had one of the worst criminal profiles he had ever seen. >> dr. griggson, who was
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the -- they called him dr. death in dallas. if he evaluated you, wouldn't a good report. they tell me gave me the worst psychological report in all of dallas, texas. >> mike: there are some bad people coming out of dallas, texas. >> yes, sir. >> mike: when we come back, maury davis, how did he get a second chance? why? and what does it mean for the rest of us? we'll be right back. el, a busy . she starts at dawn and so does her back pain. that's two pills for a four hour drive. the drive is done. so it's a day of games and two more pills. the games are over, her pain is back, that's two more pills. and when she's finally home, but hang on, just two aleve can keep back pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is rachel, who chose aleve and two pills for a day free of pain. ♪ and get the all day pain relief of aleve in liquid gels. ♪
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whatted. one, my attorney kept pushing me to pray. he had become a born again christian a few months prior to my family hiring him -- >> mike: he was probably afraid of me. >> he was more of a heathen than i was before i got saved. >> mike: really? >> yeah. he's an attorney. >> mike: 'nuff said. >> i shouldn't have said that. >> mike: no, you should have. >> i should have. the pastor that led him to the lord asked him could you meet this young man. he asked me to say a prayer. he said find god. i have didn't know there was a god. i said god, if you are up there, and you prove yourself to me i'll serve you for the rest of my life. >> mike: we have the pastor who is instrumental to bring you to the lord. don george, pastor of cavalry temple for 35 years i've known him. pastor george, when you first met maury davis -- by the way, he looked different. i've seen pictures of him back then. it's unrecognizable. did you think he would one day pastor a large church in
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america? s>> i had no clue it would happen, governor huckabee. when i walked in the jail at the request of his attorney and his mother. i looked in the face of a bleary eyed, spaced-out speed freak who showed little or no remorse and manifested no guilt whatsoever for the crime that he had committed. but it was there in the dallas county jail in the earliest days of his incarceration. that he had an encounter with god and it damatically changed his life. simultaneously he was called to preach the gospel. i had the privilege of mentoring and training maury davis for ministry during his long prison years, 8 1/2 years. he came out of prison. and took a position on the staff of the church i pastor as a janitor. i will tell you, mike, i never had a finer janitor than maury davis. cleaned the carpet, carried out the trash, he did everything that the janitor
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is supposed to do. quickly became administrative assistant. supervisor of janitors. and cut to the chase, you said it well. he pastors one of the great churches in america today. preaches every sunday to thousands of people. >> mike: you employed him at the church and he became the youth minister. i've got to ask both of you to tell me this. were there parents who said are you crazy? you are going to let this guy who is a convicted murder oversee the youth activities of my kids? >> i will never forget circumstance that brought maury to the youth pastorship of cavalry. i had a group of parents meeting me and they were disillusioned with the current youth pastor. more out of exac ber ration than anything es -- exasperation i threw this out. what would you think of davis? he was my personal administrative assistant. to my astonishment they said yes, we would love to have maury davis as the youth
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pastor. >> mike: were you as shocked as i am hearing this story? just be the youth minister? i'm thinking that the families of most churches would come to the pastor and say if this guy is the youth minister not only do we leigh but we take you out and do something with you -- >> god had done so many miracles in my life it was just another one. he gave us youth revival. we reached the dallas, fort worth, people of the city. i can't fix what i did but i can commit myself to investing myself in helping other people not do the same thing or go down the same road. one of my gifts back to the great nation is working with the young people in america. that was a gift. the families gave me the opportunity to pastor their children, which you and i both know is a miracle in this society. so it was just another one of the miracles that god did in my life. he is a mirk can working god -- miracle working god. >> mike: you say that's a jailhouse religion, pathway to get out of trouble and get back -- >> jailhouse religion only
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lasts to you get out of jail. i've been out of jail for 30 years. >> mike: there has to be a time where i could say there is anything i could go back and undo damages. what about the family of the victim? >> obviously, the guilt and the shame. people who don't understand what they've done, they minimize the guilty and the shame that ought to go with it. that is a constant companion to my life. offered to the family if they ever want to talk to me. they hadn't wanted to do that. last year i was in contact with the grandson of the woman i killed. as well as a friend of her son. at this time, they're not ready to talk. i don't want to push it or inflict any more pain on that family than i've done. for all i've heard, it's a second chance.
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what qualifies you to be here? my pastor will never let me forget there is an "x" on my back. god chose the base things, notify the things are, and that no man should boast before god. nothing i accomplished in life could i touch the glory of. >> mike: what your story tells me if a person like you can find a changed life, completely transformed life, then it's possible for anybody. the worst police report, savage murder. senned to prison -- sentenced to prison. hopeless, didn't believe in god. for 30 years you've been now leading people in a spiritual direction and for 20 yearses, one of the fastest growing most dynamic churches in america. a story of hope and redemption. >> god took me and saved when
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i was unsaveable and loved me when i was unloveable. gave me the word of god to fix the thing psychiatrist said wasn't fixable. filled me with experience i lost through conscious, sin an drugs. sitting here with you today. a presidential candidate, fox show host for fox and an influence in america and you recognize my life is the poster life for one of the poster lives for don't ever give up on a human being. so many times in america we want to write somebody off, unless they're related to us. we don't want to write our children off. my children are in the audience today. nothing they could do. that i wouldn't want you to give them a second chance. i don't want you to let them out early. my stepdad did something so noble. he could have made my bond and got me out of jail but he wouldn't do it because there was something wrong with me. there has to be a discipline and correction and a penalty.
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this is the land built on the christian principles. we use the faith, hope and love, that jesus christ died for sinners. when we lose that, we would have lost the soul of the nation. that's when the nation will be in trouble. >> mike: it's a powerful story. i want to thank you so much for candor of sharing it with us. thank you very much. maury davis. [ applause ] we will be back in a few moments, tommy chong. you know him as one of the partners of teach and chong. he, too, went to prison. we find out why and what he learned there when we come back. host: could switching to geico really save you 15% or more on car insurance?
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[ applause ] >> mike: comedic partnership of cheech marn earned iconic status among pot-smokers.
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>> hey, man, is my driving okay? >> i think we're parked, man. [ laughter ] >> mike: he was convicted of being involved in a drug paraphernalia business and served nine months in federal prison. however, he has no regrets. in fact, he still doesn't think he really did anything wrong. ladies and gentlemen, please welcome tommy chong. tommy, welcome. good to have you here. >> good to be here. >> mike: i find myself feeling guilty that i'm laughing at you and cheech breaking the law an doing the movies, but there was a lot of funny routines and certainly your comedy revolved around marijuana and sort of like the very harmless kind of happy-go-lucky guys. it got real serious for you a few years ago when federal agents came to your house raided your house.
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what happened? >> i didn't know what they were looking for at the time. my son and i had a bomb business. a glass business. >> mike: explain "bong" for those of white house are uninitiated and don't know anything about it whatsoever. >> it's a veietnamese word for wort pipe or huka pipe. but we were licensed by the state of california. the business was totally legitimate. and we were shipping bongs to different parts of the united states. and there were ones -- there was one state we weren't allowed to ship to. which was pennsylvania. so pennsylvania, the d.e.a., they wanted to bust me because i'm a high profile actor. >> trophy on the wall. no doubt about that. >> that's what i was. so they set up this phony head shop and they tried. there is a documentary out
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aka tommy chong showing the feds trying to entrap me in to sending the bongs to them in pennsylvania. we wouldn't do it. they put an undercover agent in my shop, my son's shop. they had that agent send bongs to them. they led to a raid. 5:00 in the morn february 23. >> mike: what year? >> 2003. >> they didn't just come knock on the door and say you need to come with us. full scale, guns drawn, whole thing. >> the whole swat thing. my door is always open. i never lock it. >> mike: you just told america that. not a good idea. >> i don't care. >> mike: you really are that person. >> i live in a very exclusive neighborhood. so we're protected.
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>> mike: yeah. >> i saw the -- i went downstai downstairs and in my jocky shorts and i saw the guys milling around. at first they looked like trick-or-treaters. you know? with the mask and the guns. like little kids dressed up for halloween. i looked closer and they're cops. maybe somebody escaped and they're going door to door. all the things going through my head. i opened the door and they combusting in. they wouldn't tell me why they were busting me. i asked them and they said we'll tell you soon enough. they went through the house and started to take the computers out of my house. >> mike: this seems incredibly frightening. >> my wife came downstairs and said what is going on? i was laughing because it was weird. i said i don't know, looks like they were doing a movie. it felt like a movie.
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the head guy goes it's not a movie. oh kay, what is it? we'll tell you soon enough. >> mike: they charged you with drug paraphernalia. not drug use but the selling of it? >> they found pot in my house. big deal, tommy chong, you know. then the local cops were there. the local cops looked at the pot and walked out. they wouldn't have anything to do with it. we got talking, you know, find out what they wanted. they wanted me. they wanted to bust me. they found out that i didn't own the company. so legally, they had nothing to charge me with. then they told me to my lawyer if i didn't plead guilty, they would go after my son. and they would go after my wife. this is the united states government telling you that. >> mike: you had to make a choice. you pled guilty? >> i pled guilty. they also hinted, you know, if everything was okay, i
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wouldn't do time, i'd do house arrest. no one had done time for bongs. so i said okay. i pled guilty. then i did community work. you know, try to make myself, kind of cool. >> mike: but they wanted you in prison. >> they wanted me. the indictment read i made, when i went for sentencing the indictment, the indictment read i made millions of dollars from doing movies about marijuana, and making fun of law enforcement agencies. that was part of the charge. >> mike: it's not a crime to make fun of -- i thought, look, you and i don't agree on the idea of using marijuana. so you know. that's probably not a big surprise to you. >> you didn't say that when we were smoking it backstage. [ laughter ] >> mike: that wasn't me. you were so stoned you didn't know that was someone else. it was not me. we definitely are going to take a break right now, i promise you that. when we come back, i might
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have tommy back with me. i think i. will he will be back and we'll talk more about what happened, why and why he's here today. we'll be right back. oóo@/áuuuu8
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court. succeeding john paul stevens and justice kagan will be installed in october when the supreme court begins the fall session. and six americans are among ten medical aid workers shot to death in afghanistan. the director of the international assistance mission says the group's work in northwestern afghanistan was strictly humanitarian and they had no weapons. or security guards. taliban spokesman said they were killed for spying and preaching christianity. the assistant mission says it hopes to continue to help the afghan people. i'm julie banderas. now back to "huckabee." ♪ >> announcer: if you'd like to comment on tonight's show, e-mail us at >> mike: back with tommy and i have him settled down. might not make references i was doing anything illegal. >> that was a joke. >> yeah. it really is. seriously, you and i don't agree on the idea.
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you think we should legalize marijuana. >> yes. >> you are in a position that would be tough to justify it. >> it would be hard. >> you would have to change everything. if you look at the attorneys general and surgeon generals. a lot of, you know, anybody that has been, you know, in the drug war. and then retired. >> mike: one thing we can find common ground is incarceration of the non-violent offenders. i'm speaking now from a standpoint of a governor who watched our prisons fill up with non-violent drug offenders and led the state to do things like drug courts, community sentencing, because it didn't make sense to incarcerate people, they only got worse, not better. >> you'ren cars rating -- you're incarcerating farmers. people who grow pot are
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farmers. >> i don't know i'd say they were the same as those growing corn. >> in the '30s in kansas they grew hemp. they lost farms because hemp is on their property. >> mike: you were there to make a state. we'll accept it as reality. what was prison like for you. you must have been an icon or a hero to some of the inmates. >> to be honest, i didn't want to go to prison. >> mike: i can understand that. >> i did not want to go to prison. i did everything i could to stay out of prison. i even wrote a speech blaming everything on cheech. >> that's probably why you went to prison. >> or blaming everything on pot. using cheech as an example of why, you know, i did all this.
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i was scared to go to prison. when i finally had to go, i had to suck it up and i walked in. and they put handcuffs on me. the only time they ever did, i was handcuffed and led through the -- it was what do you call it? >> perp walk. >> it wasn't a perp walk. it was like a just to show i'm a prison. because they -- >> humiliation of -- >> yeah. humiliation. the first night was the toughest night. i went from sleeping in a beautiful bed with a beautiful woman to a little bunk with a no covers hardly, little cover. cement wall as my bed partner and 250 men snoring and making men noises. it was like in a zoo. then i heard the door lock. it was the dormitory. i heard the door lock. i broke out into a sweat.
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it was the worst half hour that i had the whole time i was there. >> mike: did it make you bitter to be in prison? >> no. because what happened, i was raised very christian like. i went to bible camp as a kid. i always used i always had my escape. you know, i just meditated. i just felt the spirit come in to me. when i felt the spirit come in to me. it was like everything was going to be okay. everything is okay. >> mike: what is your message today to america? if you could say to the lawmakers and the officials? would you have a message to say this is what i learned and what i wish you'd listen to?
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>> america hisstorically uses fear to control the population. even when they have the spiritual leaders on television, they never have like just one. they have like, like larry king will have ten of them on. then they don't get to talk. it's like america has pushed away from the spiritual leanings. which really created the country. even on the money, it says, "in god we trust." you know, and this is the same money that the oil people are just trying to get everything they can. but they don't read what is on there. you see, everything that is given to us is given to us by the spirit. they don't realize that. my message, health. if thing about healthcare, did you know when i was in prison they did three open heart surgeries on prisoners
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that they couldn't get on the outside, but they commit a crime, and then they get into the federal system, and they have a heart problem, and they get healthcare. three open heart surgeries when i was there. the cost of keeping prisoners, warehousing them and not really getting them ready for the outside. turned back to punitive state. the word penitentiary means penance. >> mike: it's supposed to be a correction system, not a punishment system. >> that's right. that's right. >> mike: well, you got out. good thing. i want to thank you for coming on and talking to me today. by the way, there are d.e.a. agents outside the door here. >> they're the guys, i mean. watch out for them. they're the real criminals. [ laughter ] no, but thank you, mike. >> mike: my, good to have you here. thank you for being here. tommy chong. [ applause ] when we come back, larry
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[ male announcer ] so don't blame it on aging. talk to your doctor and go to to find out more. >> mike: he was a high dollar who spent 11 year of hard time. in some of the toughest prisons in the country. since he's been out, he started the reality check program to help guide teens and keep them making the same mistakes he did. joining us is larry lauthman. >> thank you for having me on. >> mike: my pleasure. you got started hanging out with mob in brooklyn, new york. how do you get a job the mob? is there an application obsomething? >> no application. i was 12 years old doing football tickets. >> mike: 12?
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>> i started doing football tickets. >> mike: what do you mean? >> football tickets is a gambling ticket. you pick four teams. if you win you put a dollar down and you get $10. if you pick three, you get $5. on and on. that was my introduction. i used to go with my dad and bars in the bronx. my dad was a construction worker and he built the world trade center. one of the head guys on the world trade center. he's sick now. i did that. i got the fast life, the easy money life. that's what really was downturn i think when you look back. >> mike: and then you started doing the games but then you how did you graduate to something bigger than that? >> at 17, i went in the coast guard, got hurt in the service. after i got hurt, i got out, in 1986. end of '86. i got back in the bad life again and i had connection from the older days in the mob if you want to call it. then i was associated with
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the mob. i ended up being the biggest jewel thief in the country. >> mike: did they recruit you like he's running numbers and maybe we can get him to do bigger things? >> when you make money for people. if you make money and kick it up and up, that's how you become good. >> mike: so you stole jewelry and give part of the proceeds to the -- >> yes. i was part of that. >> mike: that's why you're still alive today. gave them part of proceeds. >> that and i didn't tell. i didn't tell on anybody. i accepted responsibility for what i did. i did rob. i robbed between 15 and $18 million in diamonds. >> mike: how much of that did you keep? >> a varying percent what you get on the dollar. the if you look -- >> mike: like the government, man. [ laughter ] >> give your tax dollars. >> mike: the mob may be slightly worse or about the same as what the government -- >> sometimes you know, probably better. no, there is nothing good about it.
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there is nothing -- when you look back at your life and how you really -- what i did was wrong. totally wrong. no justification -- i never hurt anybody in a robbery. i was good at what i did. i robbed between 15 and 18 or 20 stores is what the federal government had. i was facing life. i beat a life sentence and got my law degree in prison. i actually did win a case, i was very good at the law. i did four 12-year sentences running concurrently. >> mike: this was no country club for you. >> no. i was in maximum security prisons, in prisons i was telling the staff earlier where you have to, you lose all dignity. you lose all, there is to -- talk about handcuffs. you're stripped naked and searched, searched everywhere daily. i was strapped down naked, tortured and peed on by guards. i wrote letters to senators. the attorney general. stacks of letters of cases
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i've done, because i was fighting the abuse of people that no medical care -- what tommy was telling you no, medical care in prison. no staff on. i had a man with no legs and they said he didn't belong. i was asking the administration why do you leave him in there? they let him not eat. they didn't feed him. he defecated on himself. i emphasize this. i put myself in prison and i don't blame anybody but myself for that. but we're a redemptive society. you're compassionate. >> mike: if you did 11 years, a bad hombre kept in there. tough tattoos to -- >> yeah. i did -- >> mike: everyone i go to sunday school with have the same type of tattoos.
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[ laughter ] >> you know, i show these at a lot of functions i do. the ink on this is melted chess pieces. the needle is a guitar string. i watched a man catch mrsa and die. i see the kids today and i see them do a lot of things like oh, that is cool. it's not cool. if you want a tattoo, get a tattoo on the street. you don't have to be a criminal to be a tattoo. but when i walk in a room and show the kids what happened to me being abused and stuff why it's not worth it and why you have to go the next route -- you have to go the right route. we need the family in our lives and god back in our lives and a lot of things we're not having today. >> mike: find out how you came from this really pretty rough character to being a person out there now talking to schools and churches and all kinds of events. i bet you want to know, too, what happened to larry? you have to stick around. when you do, you'll find out.
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>> mike: i knew you wouldn't go away. i nigh you wanted to find out what happened to larry. as did i. larry, you didn't stay in prison forever. 11 years. you get out. when you got out, something changed in your life. what happened? >> well, the acts of defining stories when i first got out, mike, a friend of mine comes to me and says larry, i need a favor. i said what do you want me to break somebody's legs? he said no, i caught my son smoking marijuana and he told me "f.u., dad, where have you ever been?" he said will you talk to my son? i got pictures together and id did what i had to do and i
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said sure i'll talk to him. i developed a program after that. i saw the kid for two hours and the man comes back and says whatever you do with your law or whatever you do, you have to work with kids. why? he said my kid totally changed. he got to him. what you did, you got to him. i don't scare people. it's not scared straight. it's reality. but they hear it from someone who has been there. they won't listen to the teacher or the counselor or the mom and dad. but they listen to somebody who has been through what i've been through they listen. that's what we develop the program, which is four parts. it's what prisoners really like. what you are going to lose. that's my wife, my kids, i had a 15-month-old baby. it hurt. it hurt a lot. when i got out of prison, thank god i have a relationship with my daughter. but you lost all of those years. you get pictures in and see
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your daughter growing up and bre breaks your heart. >> mike: you started a reality check and it's used by schools. we have a copy of the program and give it to every member of the studio audience today. >> we have a dvd, 67-minute version of the program. it shows me in prison, actual pictures and it's broken down to four section. the last section is so important because it's avoiding dissolved bad association. most kids and most people and adults and like you said, judges sentence kids to my program. they sentence adults to my program. judges, police officers use it. they put it in the back of their car. they run against four kids. and they see them having trouble and say you need this. you did three things. build good community relations with the community.
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trying to help the kid. you might save the kid from going to prison. and the cops have another tool to use instead of a gun. all of our goal is keep kids out of prison. i love what i do. i wouldn't change it for anything in the world. when you see a kid change and our records, we have quantitative analysis that was done on the program. we have a 70% success rate in change kids' attitude, 90% keeping them out of jail. 43% increased education. and 31% increase in attendance. >> mike: pretty remarkable. called reality check. larry lauthon is the guest and a remarkable person who has shown it can be done. i hope you enjoy tonight's program. i realize it's a little different. you know what? some of you will say if a person is in prison they ought to stay there. i know people feel that way. if it's your son or daughter, you know what you want to see? a second chance. you want someone to know you are not going to give up on other people.
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it's easy to give up on people. maybe somebody has given up on you. i hope maybe one thing our program has shown whether it's from maury davis or larry lauthon or tommy chong there are people who made mistakes, sometimes really, really bad ones and it doesn't mean their life has to be hopeless and forever just marked off as completely unredeemable. that's one of the things that makes america a great country. we typically don't give up on people, and we don't give up on our country. i hope you don't give up on the people around you. including members of your own family. i hope you don't give up on the country. there is a lot of doom and gloom out there. i tend to believe this country has been through a lot and it's a resilient one. we can still get through a lot of things in the future. i hope you enjoyed the program. let us hear from you. until next week from new york city. this is huckabee. this is huckabee. good night and god bless. captioned by closed captioning services, inc
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